GROUNDSPEAK / GEOCACHING.COM cacher complaint: CacheDrone

Here is a share from our reader's, a comment about CacheDrone@gmail.com 

cacher complaint:
I've had this particular reviewer actually let me know right up front that he breaks his own interpretation of the "guidelines/rules" for some, including his own hides.... and after denying a cache submission, proceeds to publish caches that should be denied for the same reasons he gave for the denial. The man has no integrity in the game, and arrogantly flaunts his "power" as a reviewer to do as he wishes. Meanwhile hundreds of old caches with deceased/absentee owners live on, hundreds if not thousands of caches break the "rules/guidelines"... and if you try to resolve an issue openly in the forums,,, he WILL take it personal and adjust the guidelines to archive your caches, and make publishing new ones next to impossible. In otherwords, hail the almighty Cachedrone, and bow before him, or he will make the game much less enjoyable for you. He has diminished my enjoyment of the game, and what pisses me of the most, Groundspeak doesn't give a crap that Ontario has it this Cache Nazi as a reviewer.


It saddens us that GROUNDSPEAK / GEOCACHING.COM disregards its members

Suggestion:
1.)  create a new USERNAME profile
2.)  look out for your computer's IP address

 
- until we REMOVE CacheDrone from GROUNDSPEAK / GEOCACHING.COM
- the next "prick" is up and coming CacheShadow...



Groundspeak | Geocaching banned users

Options for banned users

visit: www.opencaching.com
MOVE YOUR CACHES:
geocaching alternative sites
free and lol no membership fees


Groundspeak | Geocaching USERNAMES


If you go to 'find a user' on that site and type in 'keystone' there are at least 20 usernames in the dropdown menu to choose from. Same thing with 'jeremy'. What are they going to do, ban everyone who uses those names?   I know what I would say, but we have to be nice in here so I won't post it.

When I created my account I chose to use the name of the brand of beer I drink. Now groundspeak has a problem with my user name because I posted in their forums. Looks like they will ban my account because of my choice of my user name on their site.

Geocaching Alternative websites

I have looked at Waymarking and Benchmarking/Trigpointing. In this installment I take a look at alternative cache listings websites.
It’s not just all about Groundspeak Geocaching. There is also NaviCache, Opencaching, TerraCaching and also just recently OpenCaching.com. I thought as I’d already blogged about the new OpenCaching.com site that it’d only be fair to give the other sites a bit of the spotlight

by Garmin Ltd -

NaviCache

http://navicache.com came about early 2001. It offered a less restrictive service to what was available. The site offers nearly any type of geocache and there is no charge for anything on the site.
I signed up for an account to give it a test and immediately loved the site due to it’s choice of Captcha word to verify my sign up.

Which is worse: a captcha which asks for a colloquial term for an erection or the gods-awful colloquial term it selected?
However, that’s probably the only thing that I loved. I searched for caches in the United Kingdom and returned 2 results. Both showed strange coords and one put me out in the sea near Africa! Neither have maps and showed a message saying that maps weren’t available outside of the USA. I then attempted to find some caches in New York city and came up with 4 results. I selected 1 and the maps were nowhere near as detailed as what we’re used to with Geocaching.com. This was where my navicache user experience ended. It certainly isn’t anywhere near a Geocaching.com replacement for us UK users and the US listings are limited too. On the whole the site looks very dated, and isn’t something that I will be revisiting, although I’m sure it does have its selected set of dedicated followers.

Navicache Example

TerraCaching

The goal of terracaching.com is to provide high-quality caches. Membership is managed through a sponsorship system and all submissions are constantly reviewed by other members. There are virtual, locationless and traditional/multi-stage caches in its database. I’ve heard that some users who have published caches on Geocaching.com with links to their caches on Terracaching get warned that unless they remove the link their listing will get disabled.
To me TerraCaching sounded like quite a good idea. We went on quite a few caching trips last year and finding quality caches in areas you are totally unfamiliar with was a real nightmare. The recent Geocaching.com favorites feature however is a lot more helpful now for this sort of thing.
So I signed up to TerraCaching, knowing that I might not get anywhere with it, but it’s worth a try. You need to enter your home coords for a chance of getting a sponsor, so I did just that and had one within an hour. I was half way there. To try and get another I posted a message in the forum asking for one. I explained what the purpose of hiding caches means to me, and my goals with the hides. From reading the site a bit more I also found that my genuine beliefs about what makes a good cache hide shared by TerraCaching.com. That evening I got another sponsorship offer so I was able to check out what the site was all about. Getting sponsorship is very easy, so if you fancy checking out the site then do sign up.
I took a look at the world map of Terracaches and it’s clear that the majority are in North America, the UK and Europe (Belgium/Germany area). It doesn’t look like it’s caught on in Australia yet, for example. There aren’t that many around us, but I had a quick lookie at 10 or so of the closest ones. Unfortunately the majority were virtuals and of the few that weren’t they were long multi-caches. I continued my search further afield and found again that the majority were virtuals. There were a couple of standard caches here and there though.

Terracaches worldwide

Terracaches near me
My initial perception of what Terracaching might be about was wrong, however as I hadn’t been able to access the site without a sponsor I was limited. I had hoped that Terracaching would be a site with extra really good caches, as well as double posts of those particularly good ones at Geocaching.com that have met their approval, however from their Wiki: “You should be aware though, that you should not ‘cross post’ (duplicate cache listings here from other listing sites, or visa versa). The TerraCaching community generally prefers that caches listed here be unique to this site. However, since every cache is judged on it’s own merits, exceptions are always possible. For instance, the community actually encourages cross posting event caches.”
Although it has a slightly better feel than Navicache, the Terracaching site also has a dated feel to it. The cache listings are nowhere near as user-friendly and professional looking as the Geocaching.com ones, although this is no fault of the cache owner, they can only work with what they have got.

A terracaching listing

My Terracaching Conclusion

After having a good snout around the Terracaching website, I don’t think that this is not a website that I will use. I’m not interested in creating a cache that only a couple of finders will bother visiting because quite frankly I do take a lot of time to research and plan my hides already to ensure that they are of top quality and going to all of that effort for just 2 visitors just isn’t worth it. I am also not interested in visiting virtuals or long multi-caches. On first glances it doesn’t look like there is anything special about the caches listed, however I guess the overall look of the site doesn’t really help “sell” the caches that are truely unique and special. I guess Terracaching just isn’t for me. It obviously does appeal to a select few,and there will always be people who don’t want to follow the crowds and, for example, won’t use Microsoft products simply because they are Microsoft products. Unless I’m going to an area where there are quite a few Terracaches that I may pass, I’m unlikely to spend much time even thinking about Terracaches.

Opencaching

Opencaching is a completely independent, non-commercial caching site. Each Opencaching site is country-dependent and there is indeed an Opencaching UK site. There was a recent mention of the US Open Caching site on the GC Podcast which encouraged me to join their UK twitter feed. A new webcam opencache was tweeted in London’s Leicester Square the evening before we went to London so I joined up and downloaded the GPX file. We however didn’t venture to that part of London. It was however enough to tempt me.
The Opencaching UK site does have quite a slick feel to it, however of course doesn’t match the professional standard of Geocaching.com. The idea of something being “Open” however does mean that there is no financial gain by anyone. This means no adverts and no charge for services such as pocket queries. The site is run by volunteers. This is one of the main “selling points” for Opencaching. Although I am a supporter of open source (I’m a big fan of PHP, MySQL, Firefox, Linux, etc.) when you consider the amount of caches that are on Opencaching vs Geocaching.com the cost to use the more exciting parts of Geocaching.com are in my mind completely justified. To run and maintain server power costs, license costs, and developer wages for a site with over a million caches and as many users as it has is by no means cheap. To me, paying a few quid each year and having to view adverts on some of the pages is completely justified. The adverts are also very well selected, and things that I’m glad they advertised about as I have benefitted from them. Fair enough the big boys are making a profit from the site, but good on them. It was a good idea!
For Opencaching to grow and really stand a chance at being a popular caching site it needs people to start using it, like people started using Geocaching.com. Once there are enough people using it to hide caches, the finders will follow. This is a big leap and can mean the difference between the site failing, or rapidly growing into something big. As I write this Opencaching UK has 439 active caches and 1296 finds, making it a very small fish in comparison to Geocaching.com.

An example of a Opencaching UK listing
Something that does attract me to OpenCaching is the different cache types that you are allowed to submit. There are:
Virtual caches – Just like there used to be
Educache – A virtual cache that teaches something, perhaps historical about a site.
Webcam – Like the existing ones on Geocaching
Podcache – An mp3 file. Your coords take the finder to a location and instructions in the file tell them where to go. I guess just like those museum tours where you walk around with a head set!
I do love the idea of a podcache and have a great idea for one that I could hide, but would I go to the effort of creating one to publish on a website that no-one really uses? Erm, well, no… Not yet, not until (if ever) the site gets big. But that’s not really the spirit if I think like that. If everyone has this opinion then nothing will happen, if everyone has the contrasting opinion then the site will flourish. My attitude on most things like this however is that I’m not going to make a difference. If me becoming vegetarian would cause the whole world to become vegetarian and stop animals getting slaughtered then I would do so, however by not eating meat I’m not making much of a difference so I’m going to carry on eating my bacon sarnies! ;) I have countless fun arguments about this with my vegetarian brother. Groundspeak definitely haven’t upset me enough to boycott them!
On Opencaching UK there are quite a few caches listed in South Devon, and around London. There are 2 close to where I cache, however I have already found them on Geocaching.com. I guess this does show that for it to take off it does only take a couple of people in one area. If it does get quite big and some cachers are listing on OpenCaching and not Geocaching.com would reviewers need to start checking the proximity of opencaches to ensure that Geocaches aren’t too close?

Opencaching UK map
I’m not saying don’t use Opencaching. I’m just questioning its usefulness. I think that me and all of the other premium members are unlikely to give up all of our caches and migrate to Open Caching just because we don’t have to pay. We can however list our caches on both sites, however it took me a whole afternoon to list Rowney Wood Ramble to get my descriptions perfect so I’m not going to do it again. And why log caches in two places? Opencaching for me offers needless, limited duplication and the 4 exciting additional cache listings don’t tempt me enough to start using it as a Geocaching.com replacement.

 Also see:
 http://opencaching.de/ is active if you can sprechen Deutsch
http://www.navicache.com/
http://www.terracaching.com/

OpenCaching North America - Geocaching in North America

www.opencaching.us
www.opencaching.us/articles.php?page=impressum‎
Opencaching.us is designed to be an effective non-profit alternative to existing geocaching sites. Additionally, Opencaching.us offers users an open platform

Overall…

I’ve tested out Opencaching.com, Opencaching.org.uk, navicache.com, and terracaching.com and unfortunately can’t say that I will regularly visit the sites although I might peek at Opencaching.com every now and then to see what’s going on and what all of the fuss is about! I think the thing I’ve always wanted with geocaching is a way to find stand out caches that will make my trip to somewhere worthwhile. I think the recent favorites feature is enough for now to keep me satisfied in that region though. I hope I’ve provided enough in this post to give an insight of the alternatives out there and I encourage anyone who likes what they’ve seen to sign up to the sites.

Opencaching.com - Garmin’s new cache listing site!

Just when OpenCaching was starting to accumulate a good number of caches along came another Geocaching site, OpenCaching! Er, wait… Didn’t I just say that??? Yes I did. In case you weren’t aware, Geocaching.com is not the only cache listing site out there. There is also navicache, Terracaching, and quite recently a trend of ‘OpenCaching’ with sites for each country (opencaching.org.uk, opencaching.eu, opencaching.us, etc.) These opencaching sites are focused on being completely free, so there is no members fee. Also you have more choices on what types of cache you can submit. E.g. Webcam and virtuals are allowed.
This new opencaching site that has caused quite a stir is opencaching.com and despite having the same name is not under the same umbrella as all of the other opencaching sites, instead it is associated with our good friends GARMIN!!! Hmmm…

At least the graphics are cute!
The site is still in early beta stages and behaves very buggy to say the least, however the overall site layout looks neat. One would hope that a new listing site would mean new unique caches, however it actively encourages you to upload your cache hides that are already on Geocaching.com via an import tool. Having the same cache listed in many places may seem like a good way to get more finders, however sounds like a real pain to maintain. How can you ensure that the cache owner hasn’t forgotten to update their opencaching.com listing if coords change or if it gets disabled on geocaching.com? And what if you go for an FTF to submit to Geocaching.com when someone who only uses Opencaching.com has already been there and signed the logbook? In my opinion any type of redundant data is something that should really be avoided!

Import your hides and finds
There are so far a few caches here and there over the UK. The map search is however quite nice, as are the little circles that show cache ratings.

Opencaches in the UK (so far)
As well as size, difficulty, and terrain there is Awesomeness!

Awesomeness ratings for caches
I’m concerned at the review process in that there isn’t one. On the listing submission page there is a tickbox that says “I have permission from the landowner or manager to hide my geocache.” Some may moan about reviewers taking time to publish, or being very picky with listings, etc. But at the end of the day they are there to help us, for free! The last thing I want is to trespass onto land that I shouldn’t be on. I know that by finding caches from geocaching.com they will have been checked by a reviewer and although they can’t check absolutely everything they can catch most dodgy locations and I rarely feel like I shouldn’t be somewhere when searching for a cache. However, I can’t say the same about this new site. Another thing that interests me in the site is its set of guidelines. They are quite brief, however one thing in particular did catch my eye: “Don’t hide your caches on cliffs, down abandoned mines, in trenches or anywhere that might put the safety of geocachers in peril” I have found a 5/5 down an abandoned mine (And it was amazing fun) and I know of many up in the Peak District that are up on cliffs. There are also quite a lot of extreme Geocaches out and about that would probably go against this guideline.
To find the location of caches on opencaching.com you don’t need to have an account. Any old muggle can just go to the website and search. On the geocaching site you can indeed do the same, however the actual coordinates are hidden until you login. This is indeed the same on the other opencaching sites. I’ve read on the forums about a group called GROEP (this is old news and has been happening for years so is just one example) whose main goal is to sabotage caches. They however have to sign up and as soon as they are found to be abusing the system have their accounts banned. You can still check ip addresses through a lot of ISP’s so these users are trackable. I do worry about a site where geocache hides can be anonymously browsed and found, especially when it’s endorsed by Garmin.

Viewing Geocaching.com without being a member

An example of a listing
I signed up and attempted to create a cache on Opencaching just as a test to look at the submission process. I got through step 1 where I gave the cache name and the coordinates, however step 2 was just a blank page and some exception was raised that stopped me continuing. I would have thought really important bugs like these would have been ironed out in the Alpha stage rather than let it get to beta as it is slightly important that you can actually add caches to a cache listing site!!! However, I guess it was working at some point or another as there are a few caches on there already.
At the moment I’m about as excited about this as I was the chirp (not very!) and feel that Garmin are trying to fill a hole that doesn’t exist. Perhaps it did a few years ago, but I fail to see a reason behind it now. Oh, apart from to sell more Garmin units! ;) Garmin certainly seem to be taking an interest in caching recently. First there was the chirp that Groundspeak knew nothing about until a few days before its release, and now this brand new listing site. I cant help thinking that perhaps everyone would benefit more if Garmin worked *with* Groundspeak rather than against them! The site is still in its early stages so we shall wait and see how it unfolds…

Does anyone else have any opinions on this new listing site?